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Moshiach--soon the concealment will end

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Moshiach--soon the concealment will end

Postby YaakovNathan on Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:46 pm

Unverified, but optimistic! :)

"...When my brother-in-law was finally permitted to speak with the holy Kabbalist Rabbi Elazar Abuchatzeira Shlita (grandson of the Baba Sali, zs'l) the night before Purim (he was granted visitation with the Rav about 3 am), he asked him about the urgency of Jews living in the diaspora coming to Israel by Purim. The Rav confirmed that he said it but added "זה לא דחוף It's not urgent." The Rav told him to return the following week and he'll then explain it.

My brother-in-law was very surprised because the Rav never 'changes his 'mind' and also, he was planning to return to Be'er Sheva to see the Rav the following week and the Rav's answer to return next week caught him off guard.

...When he returned the following week to meet with the holy Rav, he was told the Kabbalist Elazar Abuchatzeira Shlita is not seeing anyone... This is highly unusual and the first time the Rav ever requested not to see the public."

UPDATE:

Since then, my brother in law did not return to Kabbalist Rabbi Elazar Abuchatzeira Shlita because the Rav has stopped seeing the public. We were all puzzled by this, but of course accepted it without any questions asked....

With Divine Providence, I found out the reason why the Kabbalist Rabbi Elazar Abuchatzeira Shlita stopped seeing the public... In this week's edition, 7 Nissan 5768, the religious newspaper Maayanei HaYeshua brought this fabulous, earth-shattering, exciting story...

"...This week I had the opportunity to drive with a Rav. Never in my life did I experience such a conversation as I had with this Rav.

After a long silence, the Rav asked me, "Do you know that Moshiach is already here!?"

"What?!" I looked at him in wonder, "What does the Rav mean?" I asked.

The Rav answered, "Didn't you hear about the Mekubal in Be'er Sheva?" At this point, the Rav mentioned the famous Mekubal's name (nk: Kabbalist Rabbi Elazar Abuchatzeira Shlita). "He has decided to stop seeing the public. His chasiddim explain that the Rav said that Moshiach is hiding amongst the people and all that needs to be done is to discover him. The minute he will be 'discovered', Rabbi Elazar Abuchatzeira told them, "Moshiach will receive the public and therefore, I'll no longer be necessary."

Shock overcame me. "It sounds... in this manner... very serious."

"It certainly is very serious. There is no disagreement that he is a tremendous Tzaddik and extremely serious!," the Rav ruled.

I kept silent. The Rav continued to surprise me, "Did you not hear last week that a Rosh Yeshiva left to the North?" "No," I replied. "He (NK: Rav Shmuel Tal Shlit"a, Rosh Yeshiva of Yeshivat Torat Chaim formerly in Neveh Dekalim) left his ''flock of sheep' and appointed a young scholar in his place. Now he secluded himself near Miron. He said to his students that he'll continue sending Shiurim thru special messengers. People say about him that he is an Iluy (Torah prodigy). One of the giants of this generation."

"Did you hear about the Mekubal from the Moshav in the Negev that exiled to Teveria?" The Rav asked.

"No... I didn't hear," I replied.
"He is in Teveria for a few years," The Rav told me.

"Did you hear about the famous Rosh Yeshiva from Yerushalayim (NK: Rosh Yeshiva HaRav Mordechai Alon Shlita) that ascended to the Kineret about 2 years ago and today transfers Sichot to hundreds of participants?"

"What does all this mean?" I asked the Rav. I was attempting to explore the internal significance of what the Rav is saying.

Suddenly, the Rav looked at me with a sharp penetrating gaze and said in a deep voice that directly penetrated my heart: "The meaning of this is Tzaddikim all over Eretz Israel are preparing, each one individually and together... They are 'polishing up' in the direction of the coming of Moshiach. Something is happening in Northern Israel as well as in the entire land of Eretz Israel.
YOU TOO MUST PREPARE!"


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Rav Kaduri?

Postby YaakovNathan on Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:41 pm

Caution: All internet "information" concerning Rav Kaduri is very suspect. His name is being used by others to further agendas, and thus what is claimed to have been said in his name should not be trusted or even, for that matter, publicized.
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Re: Rav Kaduri?

Postby smulik on Fri May 16, 2008 8:20 pm

YaakovNathan wrote:Caution: All internet "information" concerning Rav Kaduri is very suspect. His name is being used by others to further agendas, and thus what is claimed to have been said in his name should not be trusted or even, for that matter, publicized.


it's true and very dangerous for the faith.
Even the Aroutz Sheva news about Rav Kaduri zal are suspects;
We cannot assert that Bush is Gog.
All blogs which assert that Bush is Gog are Lies.

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Gog uMagog

Postby YaakovNathan on Fri May 16, 2008 8:37 pm

smulik wrote:
YaakovNathan wrote:Caution: All internet "information" concerning Rav Kaduri is very suspect. His name is being used by others to further agendas, and thus what is claimed to have been said in his name should not be trusted or even, for that matter, publicized.


it's true and very dangerous for the faith.
Even the Aroutz Sheva news about Rav Kaduri zal are suspects;
We cannot assert that Bush is Gog.
All blogs which assert that Bush is Gog are Lies.

Shabbat Shalom

I don't if they are lies, but people often don't know what they think they know. As posted in another thread:

There are various opinions in seforim on the subject of the identity of Gog and Magog. We see here (below) that R' Yitzchok Abarbanel states that Gog and Magog refers to the Arabs who will launch an attack on Eretz Yisroel in order to fight the Xtian nations...

R' Yitzchok Abarbanel, Mashmiya Yeshua 3:10
The city of Yerushalayim will be in the hands of the Ishmaelites when Melech Hamoshiach will be revealed, as stated in Pirkei d'Rebbi Eliezer.

R' Yitzchok Abarbanel, on Zecharia 14
Gog will come three times against Yerushalayim...and Gog uMagog are Ishmaelites...and we learned further that any time they came [in the past] and so too when Gog uMagog will come to wage war on Yerushalayim, it was and will be against the Xtians who hold it, not against Israel. And so too it will be in the future.

The Xtians will exile half the people of Yerushalayim, destroying homes, r"l, but the rest of the people won't be cut off and won't leave the city and won't go into captivity. This half won't remain due to their might, but rather because the Xtians will be plundering freely and they will about the armies coming against them and they will stop [plundering] in order to fight the Ishmaelites who are coming against them. Them Hashem's will shall be awakened to fight for his people, because when half the people are exiled Hashem will come out of his place in Heaven to take vengeance for His people. Hashem will fight for us "and you shall remain silent".


R' Yitzchok Abarbanel, Maayanos Hayeshua 11:8
[The Ishmaelim and the Xtians will battle...] Moshiach ben Dovid will kill the enemies and Armilus, the head of the Xtian warriors, like Gog is the head of the Ishmaelite soldiers.

"Gathered from many peoples" (Yechezkiel): this refers to the Xtians, who will have conquered the hills of Eretz Yisroel [...] that's why Gog comes against them with a great army [...]. Don't be troubled that Magog was among the sons of Yafes and Ashur among the sons of Shem, because chazal say that Sancheriv mixed up the world populations and the Assyrians settled in the land of Magog, and the prophet mentions them by the place name.
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Postby ruth on Fri May 16, 2008 9:36 pm

A mundane observation (my own) re Ishmaelites and Xtians - They are opposites or mirror images of each other. The Ishmaelites use only their heart (or feelings) to think with and the Xtians only their brains.

If you look at Xtian culture, it seems that all their pictures etc, are there to try to elicit feelings, which they may be lacking. While the Ishmaelite repression is for the opposite reason.

A Jew thinks with both his heart and brain. It is obvious in everything we do.
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It would be nice if the Ishmaelites and Xtians could end each other somehow without too much pain.
It makes me think of matter and anti-matter.
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Re: Gog uMagog

Postby smulik on Sun May 18, 2008 5:52 pm

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R' Yitzchok Abarbanel, Mashmiya Yeshua 3:10
The city of Yerushalayim will be in the hands of the Ishmaelites when Melech Hamoshiach will be revealed, as stated in Pirkei d'Rebbi Eliezer.

R' Yitzchok Abarbanel, Maayanos Hayeshua 11:8
[The Ishmaelim and the Xtians will battle...] Moshiach ben Dovid will kill the enemies and Armilus, the head of the Xtian warriors, like Gog is the head of the Ishmaelite soldiers.

We can see in the tractate Sanhedrin 98b that Persian army will conquer Iraq and Eretz Israel.
My rav told me that Lebanon, Syria and Iran had the same angel ( Sar of Paras)

I don't know if Armilus the evil is a man or the Sar of Erev Rav
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Question?

Postby Jean-Marie Rondeau on Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:31 am

A lot of people around the world is awaiting the coming of the Messiah and his revelation.

This is reality. It is also a reality that at least a billion of us are living rather comfortably and most of our rulers are rich, many very rich or working for same.

So unless something very drastic happens like total economic collasp ,, or terrible big wars or nature becomes even more destructive then now, the promise Messiah with a social conscience, more government and tamer of the elites will be refuse, event put to death.

At this moment, the time is not right at all.

Who knows. An hour, a day, a week, a month, maybe it will be!

Do you agree?

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Re: Question?

Postby Isaac on Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:24 pm

Jean-Marie Rondeau wrote:A lot of people around the world is awaiting the coming of the Messiah and his revelation.

This is reality. It is also a reality that at least a billion of us are living rather comfortably and most of our rulers are rich, many very rich or working for same.

So unless something very drastic happens like total economic collasp ,, or terrible big wars or nature becomes even more destructive then now, the promise Messiah with a social conscience, more government and tamer of the elites will be refuse, event put to death.

At this moment, the time is not right at all.

Who knows. An hour, a day, a week, a month, maybe it will be!

Do you agree?

Jean-Marie Rondeau

No.

The whole concept of Moshiach is the concept of eternal life.

Moshiach lives!
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Postby Jean-Marie Rondeau on Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:40 am

Is-it only for the Jewish people?

I do not think so.

Seems to me that the promise to the Moshiach in the bible is that God will make him great in the world because he will seek to make him known in all nations. A savior if you like for all people.

At least that is my understanding of things.

The Jewish people Redeemer is God himself I beleive.

The Moshiach would bring peace on earth between the Jewish people and the nations of the earth.

And he offers to God his sufferings, abuses, deceptions, frustrations for the sins of all.

Right or wrong?

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Postby yehuda on Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:24 am

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