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Autistics and Little Children...Who is Right?

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Autistics and Little Children...Who is Right?

Postby lioness9 on Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:14 am

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Shalom, After reading all the warnings from the autistics and the words spoken by children, who seem to have a definite insight into unrevealed future events...I feel I am much more prepared to greet Moshiach!
This is such a wonderful Forum!
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Postby Isaac on Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:32 am

Seems to me they are sending opposite signals.

The boys are Chassidim (in their neshomas if not down here). I didn't see any ahavas Yisroel by the autistim since the whole thing began.
A neshoma descends to this world world for 70-80 years, to do a material favor for a Jew and especially a spiritual favor. (Baal Shem Tov, brought in Hayom Yom)
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Postby YaakovNathan on Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:19 pm

Title: Autistics and Little Children...Who is Right?

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Postby Jean-Marie Rondeau on Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:43 am

I will say this for the autistics: They are speaking from their souls and their hearts for they are worry about Israel. Where ever the Jews live. They quote specifics from the prophets and yet claim to have one mission: give messages, not predictions. Their frustration is showing in the last few months.

They are constant in saying that the world as we know it is about to change. The types of changes that Eli and his brothers talk about, they seems to thinks that we would not understand what it really is.So they don't explain what it will really be.

If they are wrong in what they are saying, which is according to cited prophecies they say, well then the old prophets were wrong? I dont thinks so.

One things is certain is what they are saying about the banks and financial institutions. Day in day out lately, bad news pop up about the problems tied to sub-prime, etc. National banks around the world are trying to save the situation.

Daniel has over 629,000 hits on his site in less than a year. It is quite something. Some of his teachings seems much too old fashion for this time period. Like the exercise done today at the Kotel. Rabbi Brody wrote an article this week on Lazer Beams: Ancient Laws- are they relevant?

http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/lazer_bea ... aws--.html


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Postby YaakovNathan on Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:50 pm

Jean-Marie Rondeau wrote:I will say this for the autistics: They are speaking from their souls and their hearts for they are worry about Israel. Where ever the Jews live. They quote specifics from the prophets and yet claim to have one mission: give messages, not predictions. Their frustration is showing in the last few months.

They are constant in saying that the world as we know it is about to change. The types of changes that Eli and his brothers talk about, they seems to thinks that we would not understand what it really is.So they don't explain what it will really be.

If they are wrong in what they are saying, which is according to cited prophecies they say, well then the old prophets were wrong? I dont thinks so.

Jean-Marie Rondeau

The prophets addressed the nation while the Holy Temple stood, when Israel was at the peak of Divine Revelation. The level of responsibility in that generation was completely different from our "orphaned generation", as the Rebbe explains.

Furthermore, the written Torah simply cannot be understood without the explanations of the meforashim, the traditional commentators. In fact, it will be completely misunderstood without them. In the original version of the Geulah forum I had translated and posted different commentaries to verses in the prophets that reveal that a simple reading is a misleading reading. Anyone who claims "it says so in the prophets" is dangerously blind to their own unexalted level of Torah understanding. It is for this reason the Jewish nation has Torah leaders who tell us how to understand what the Torah says.


Jean-Marie Rondeau wrote:I will say this for the autistics: They are speaking from their souls and their hearts for they are worry about Israel. Where ever the Jews live. They quote specifics from the prophets and yet claim to have one mission: give messages, not predictions. Their frustration is showing in the last few months.

In 1991 the Lubavitcher Rebbe addressed exactly this deluded approach of "worry" and "frustration" about the Jewish people:
Since the bnei Yisrael are the children of G-d, as it says explicitly in the verse, 'You are children to the L-rd your G-d,' and additionally referred to as 'My son, My firstborn Israel,' and the A-lmighty loves them as it says, 'I love you, says G-d,' and as the Baal Shem Tov taught, that the love of the A-lmighty to every one of Israel is greater than the love of elderly parents to an only child born to them in their latter years, it follows that G-d does not wish to hear derogative words regarding His people, and such words are insulting as it says in the verse in Zechariah 'One who touches you is as if he has touched the apple of His (G-d's) eye.'

"Even the prophets of whom it is said that, 'The spirit of the L-rd spoke in them and His word was on their tongue,' are warned that, 'The A-lmighty does not desire one who speaks badly of His people.' We find that Yeshayahu, one of the greatest of the prophets, was punished when he said, 'and in the midst of a people of impure lips I dwell.'

"Maimonides, in his famous epistle Iggeres HaShmad, writes: 'If the pillars of the world (i.e., the Prophets) were punished for speaking unfavorably of the people, how much more so less important personalities who loosen their tongue against communities of Israel to call them wicked.... Any orator should not speak in public until he has reviewed what he wishes to say a number of times ... and how much more so the written word should be reviewed a thousand times....'

"It is also important to bear in mind the warning the Torah gives us about 'not opening our mouth to the Satan.' Strong words can arouse the Divine attribute of judgment and bring about punishment, whereas with good words and seeking merit in the people, one causes that G-d accepts this merit. An example of this concept is found with Gideon, in whose days Israel was in great danger and the A-lmighty was looking for a person who would see merit in them.... As soon as Gideon saw merit in them an angel appeared to him. It was only in the merit of Gideon seeking merit in the people that they were redeemed.

"We find many examples in Jewish history of great leaders seeking merits for the Jewish people even though they were on a spiritual low. How much more so in our generation where the only reason why Jews are not more observant is because they are 'forced,' and in the category of a tinok shenishbah, it is not necessary to search for merits for the merits are obvious.


This is demanded of each Jew vis a vis his fellow; and I would say that it also applies to someone like you, Jean-Marie, a gentile who aspires to assist Israel in fulfilling its Divine mission.

Seek the merit in Israel and G-d will do the same vis a vis each of us.
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Postby Jean-Marie Rondeau on Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:08 pm

Thank you very much for the explanation.

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Postby YaakovNathan on Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:52 pm

Jean-Marie Rondeau wrote:Thank you very much for the explanation.

Jean-Marie Rondeau

Jean-Marie ,

I hope that my words were not taken as rebuke or personal criticism, which they were not intended to be.
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Postby Jean-Marie Rondeau on Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:04 pm

No problem Jacob. Thanks again.

As for the autism, I read several books on the subject and I am also somewhat familiar with their physical limitations and resulting frustrations in their lives, as a result of my own paraplegia and what it brings daily.

The fact that someone has managed to find a way to allow them to communicate their knowledge is extra-ordinary in my view.

As a consequence, I admire these young persons dedication to God and the Jewish nation. I do not for a moment think that they are infaillable however. Only God is!

Also I would suggest that the type of religious observance they insist be the norm may be more appropriate to a highly religious minority.

I would like to read your comments on this .

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Postby Jean-Marie Rondeau on Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:18 am

This article of interest quoted in dreaming of Moshiach today.

http://www.safed-kabbalah.com/Zohar/Shemot5762.htm

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