Moshiach and Geulah

itz-me wrote:Forgive me for disagreeing with you on this point.

The task of Moshiach ben Yosef is to gather to Eretz Israel all the jews that remain. This does not mean that all Jews will survive.

In fact many Rabbonim as well as others have said that it will be dangerous to stay in Galus before redemption.

A Tzadik Nistar from in Bnei Beraq said that the trouble will start when the Arab King will die (or be overthrown). By then it will be too dangerous to live in Galus.

Also, the Autistic is now claiming that Jews in USA and Europe should prepare to flee.

Even so, Living in Eretz Israel will not necessarily redeam Jews who arrive so long as they do not keep Mitzvot because many of the mItzvots were mainly given for Eretz Israel.

emuna57 wrote:Rambam , who states this Holocha and no one argues which it makes it the Holocha, states that Moshiach Ben Dovid will ingather the Jewish nation , AFTER he calms the world and builds the Bais Hamikdosh.

The Rebbe is a proven Navi , and the Rambam says in igeres taiman prophecy will return right before Moshiach comes. The Rebbe told us the Nevua , using the word Nevua, that the Geula is upon us and we will all go from wherever we are to Yerushaliam.

Do not fear. Hashem will deliver us wherever we are through Moshiach ben Dovid.

itz-me wrote:STOP!!!! STOP !!! STOP IT!!!

The Rebbe was not a Novi (Prophet) !!!!
The Rebbe died and is no longer Alive!!!! Yes ... Yes.. He is definitely dead. I can assure you that he is burried in Manhattan. His body is there!!!!

I am fed up with all this talk by lubavitch that the Rebbe is alive and is the Moshiach only that he is currently invisible.
Such words are Sacreligious and undermine the greatness of the Moshiach.

Sacreligious!!!!!

When a person has the merits and individual perfection required of a prophet, and he performs signs and wonders -- as we saw and see continually in the fulfillment of the blessings of the leader of our generation, the Previous Rebbe -- "we do not believe in him only because of the sign [he performed]..., but because of the commandment which Moshe gave in the Torah."

Furthermore, "A prophet about whom another prophet testifies that he is a prophet (as is the case with the Previous Rebbe, and is continued in the next generation through his disciples), he is accepted as a prophet and requires no investigation." He has to be obeyed immediately "even before he performs a sign." "It is forbidden to disparage or criticize his prophecy saying that it is perhaps not true." There is a specific negative commandment forbidding us to test a prophet more than necessary. After it has become known that he is a prophet, the people should believe in him, and they should not disparage or criticize him. Their belief should not be in the prophet as an individual, but as a messenger charged with communicating the words of G-d.

This concept has to be publicized to everyone in this generation. It must be made known that we have merited that G-d has chosen and appointed a person who of himself is far greater than the people of his generation, to serve as a judge, adviser, and prophet to the generation. He will grant rulings and advice in connection with the service of the Jews and indeed, of all the people of this generation, in all matters of the Torah and its mitzvos, and in their general day to day behavior, allowing them to "know Him in all your ways," so that "all your actions should be for the sake of Heaven." Surely, this includes the fundamental prophecy "To Redemption immediately," for "Behold Mashiach is coming."

itz-me wrote:I live in Yerushalaim.
Near my home is a Lubavitch shull where I enjoyed going to on Friday night because they learned the Sichot of the Rebbe before Kabbalat Shabbat.

That until I realized that they were singing YEHI ADONENU...... as part of the prayer ceremony.
I argued with them about this issue.
It turned out that they believed the Rebbe is alive and that the fact that he is dead is an illusion of the mind.......
They said all Lubavitch believe this to be true.

Naturally, I stoped going to this shull. It would be a Chilel Hashem and Sacreligios to do so,

The Rebbe was a Tzadik, a Talmid Chocham and seems to have had a low level of Ruach Hakodesh.

He was no way a Novi. Not even close to one.

I personally have known Tzadikim Nistarim with no less Ruach Hakodesh than the Rebbe. Believe you me. You have no idea.

Most people are so dissociated from Kedushah that they mistake Ruach Hakodesh from Nvuah.

Please don't take me wrong. I have great respect and affection for the Rebbe in particular for his Tora contribution which I enjoy.

shloime wrote:

itz-me wrote:
so if you say that he was a tzadik and had ruach hakoidesh, how do you explain the statment above? the rebbes own words that he is a novi?

YaakovNathan wrote:Indeed, the Rebbe did make it clear that prophecy has returned -- as stated in seforim that this will occur before the coming of Moshiach.

Here are the Rebbe's own words (translation, bolded words not in original) from parshas Shoftim 5751 (1991):

When a person has the merits and individual perfection required of a prophet, and he performs signs and wonders -- as we saw and see continually in the fulfillment of the blessings of the leader of our generation, the Previous Rebbe -- "we do not believe in him only because of the sign [he performed]..., but because of the commandment which Moshe gave in the Torah."

Furthermore, "A prophet about whom another prophet testifies that he is a prophet (as is the case with the Previous Rebbe, and is continued in the next generation through his disciples), he is accepted as a prophet and requires no investigation." He has to be obeyed immediately "even before he performs a sign." "It is forbidden to disparage or criticize his prophecy saying that it is perhaps not true." There is a specific negative commandment forbidding us to test a prophet more than necessary. After it has become known that he is a prophet, the people should believe in him, and they should not disparage or criticize him. Their belief should not be in the prophet as an individual, but as a messenger charged with communicating the words of G-d.

This concept has to be publicized to everyone in this generation. It must be made known that we have merited that G-d has chosen and appointed a person who of himself is far greater than the people of his generation, to serve as a judge, adviser, and prophet to the generation. He will grant rulings and advice in connection with the service of the Jews and indeed, of all the people of this generation, in all matters of the Torah and its mitzvos, and in their general day to day behavior, allowing them to "know Him in all your ways," so that "all your actions should be for the sake of Heaven." Surely, this includes the fundamental prophecy "To Redemption immediately," for "Behold Mashiach is coming."

From the sicha of Parshas Shoftim 5751 (http://www.sichosinenglish.org/books/si ... /49/20.htm)

itz-me wrote:

shloime wrote:so if you say that he was a tzadik and had ruach hakoidesh, how do you explain the statment above? the rebbes own words that he is a novi?

Look. I knew someone with Ruach Hakodesh only that towards the end of his life he stopped giving advise due to the weekness of age. In other words, one must know when to retire of old age since physical weekness also has a detrimental effect on the spirit.
The Rebbe should have retired too.

Even today you see Rabbonim of old age that have no control over what is said in their name. For example today Rav Elyashiv has no idea of what is PASKENED today in his name.

I can explain the Rebbe's words as any one of the following options:
a. He was senile at the time due to old age or he had a temporary loss of sanity also due to old age.
b. He did not say it or it was made up by his deciples.

The Tora says of Moshe Rabenu that even though he was 120, he was still physically and spiritually fit to lead the people.

If the Rebbe did in fact say what you claim he had said (about being a prophet) then Moshe's case would definitely not be the case of the Rebbe. No way!.